Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

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Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby kiber_master » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:15 am

Hello.

As I understood, in TSLS if there are insufficient observations to calculate 1st step because of too many instrumentals, EViews exclude some of them to calculate first step.
But if there was some missing values in excluded instrumentals, they are copied in model. Why is it so?

The Example:
eq01 - z5 is dropped, but missing values from it was copied, so model was calculated at 4-5 instead of 1-5.
eq02 - ma(1) used, and lagged instruments added. Y(-1) Y(-2) X(-1) X(-2) was excluded, but model was calculated at 3-5 instead of 1-5.

Looked at E7, E8.

P.s.: by the way, there is another mistake, in UI:
Instruments used (3):
C Z1 Z2 Z3 Y(-1) Y(-2) X(-1) X(-2) <----- more than 3

Instruments dropped (5):
<----- empty
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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby EViews Gareth » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:00 am

I'm afraid I don't understand what you're saying here.

How do you know that z5 was dropped from eq01?

For eq02, how can the equation use observations 1-5 if y(-1) and y(-2) are used?


Where does it say "instruments used (3)"?

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby kiber_master » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:49 pm

View -> IV Diagnostis & Tests -> Instruments summary

It is strange that I know you product better than you :)

Also, you can't calculate first step with all instruments, because there are just 5 obs in sample, and total number of instruments is C Z1 Z2 Z3 Y(-1) Y(-2) X(-1) X(-2) - eight. Some of them should be dropped anyway, or calculation should return an error.

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby EViews Gareth » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:03 pm

Still don't follow.

There is no "first step".

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby kiber_master » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:43 am

TSLS - two-stage least square, so there are two steps - 1st and 2nd.

From your documentation:
"TSLS finds the portions of the endogenous and exogenous variables that can be attributed to
the instruments. This stage involves estimating an OLS regression of each variable in the
model on the set of instruments. The second stage is a regression of the original equation,
with all of the variables replaced by the fitted values from the first-stage regressions. The
coefficients of this regression are the TSLS estimates."

Sorry if I said something not understandable without additional information. I thought you new it.

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby EViews Gareth » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:40 am

Describing estimation of TSLS as two separate stages is something that is done in introductory text books simply to make it easier to understand to the novice. TSLS is never actually estimated in two stages. The next paragraph of the User Guide makes that clear.

Thus you don't need to calculate a "first step".


However, your misunderstanding of how to calculate TSLS is, I believe, irrelevant to my initial questions: "How do you know that z5 was dropped from eq01?", and "For eq02, how can the equation use observations 1-5 if y(-1) and y(-2) are used?"

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby kiber_master » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:47 am

Ok, then please tell me, for what was "View -> IV Diagnostis & Tests -> Instruments summary" made?

What does it mean:
Instruments used (2):
C Z1 Z2 Z3 Z4 Z5
Instruments dropped (4):

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby EViews Gareth » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:23 am

In cases where you have perfectly co-linear instruments, EViews will drop some instruments, and that view lets you see which ones were dropped and which were used.

Your case is different. You simply have singularity due to lack of observations. EViews is unable to tell which instruments are used in such cases. I'll make sure we update the view to acknowledge that fact in those rare cases.

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby startz » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:45 am

Let me also point out that TSLS is only asymptotically valid, so you need many more observations than instruments.

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby kiber_master » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:06 pm

Then another question appears: In such case, when lack of observations lead to singularity, do you use simple OLS formula (X'X)^(-1)X'Y, or that big one, with Z?

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby startz » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:56 pm

Then another question appears: In such case, when lack of observations lead to singularity, do you use simple OLS formula (X'X)^(-1)X'Y, or that big one, with Z?
What you do is get more observations. The only exception is when you have extreme overidentification, in which case dropping some instruments is harmless.

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Re: Missing values in excluded instrumentals (TSLS)

Postby kiber_master » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:17 am

Please, ask the question.


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